But not to worry, I did that for you. Matt Harvey had a higher ERA and lower K/9 and higher BB/9 in his first season. Many thanks to him. Actually, you are totally wrong. You just need to have an Apple account and either a computer or smartphone to access the verification code. The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball, Salaries may not be complete (especially pre-1985) and may not include some earned bonuses. View a free mock draft analysis of a fantasy baseball league featuring 4 teams in a STD format. Career 89 OPS+ the prior five seasons. Click on the different category headings to find out more and change our default settings. Lol at a Met fan claiming another teams farm system pitcher turns into.garbage. Say hello to the countless Met pitchers that have done exactly that. He was not a Super 2, but posted an insane 2.85 FIP for his career with a Cy Young, 2 All-Star season, and 4 of 5 seasons with an ERA under 3.00. This deal will be the one people talk about for 10-20 years as the contract that forced bidding wars for starting pitchers. And it becomes contagious in the clubhouse imo. Thats an unlikely worst case for a phenomenal SP, but its there. 2nd year $14.75 mm, Braves manager Brian Snitker wasnt ready to say whether Strider might be used as an opener, a reliever or possibly fill both roles during the best-of-five series against the Phillies. Extra year for winning division. Just need to sign Vaughn, Fried, and Wright to extensions. Confirmation bias confirms nothing but poor process. If he has any hope of living up to this contract, Strider will have to play the whole year on the MLB roster for 2023 without injuries. Then he will still have one more arb year after that. Especially when guys are more amped in their first MLB playoff game! To quote Barney from the Simpsons, Not again!. Put those around 4m for a typical, good player, making it.$69m for Striders first 6 seasons. Here's how WBC offenses stack up with MLB's best. To see the rest of the Spencer Strider's contract breakdowns, & gain access to all of Spotrac's Premium tools, sign up today. Story put up a 112 OPS+ and 26.8 bWAR in the 6 seasons leading up to his deal with the Red Sox. Agreed, but they hadnt locked up any pitching long-term. Many of the projections I saw had the Braves winning the division. (Machado can opt out of his deal with the Friars after next year, so the Padres 2028 commitments may not end up being quite so large.) Cohen signed Scherzer and paid this guy a kings ransom to win the game in Atlanta and at Citi Field against the Padres. If he is 2nd in ROY he gets huge bonuses and STILL qualifies for Super Two. I hope we dont give Swanson more than 3 years, even if the AAV has to be high. In terms of his personal life, he is in a relationship with Maggie, a young and lovely girl. ATLANTA -- Within a matter of minutes, the Spencer Strider narrative changed from: How effective might he be in the National League Division Series to how effective might he be through at least the 2028 season? The average Plug and Play Tech Center hourly pay ranges from approximately $22 per hour for an Intern - Hourly to $69 per hour for a Partner Success Manager. Strider took the mound to start . The defending World Series champions will start the NLDS at Truist Park in Atlanta. 6/120 is light, based on his defensive floor. Your login session has expired. A fourth-round gem in the extremely truncated 2020 draft (five rounds), Strider skyrocketed through the Braves system despite a lack of minor league games in 2020, ultimately making his Major League debut late in the 2021 season. Hes been healthy for 3 straight years. They tended to evaluate the Mets as having the better team, but not by a lot, but were going (fwiw) with experience and so forth. Had they manipulated his service time and he was a ROY finalist hed get credited with a full year of service time and the Braves would get no draft pick. They wont because the union wont allow it to only benefit a segment of the members. 7 Cubs pitchers combine for no-hitter vs Machado, Padres, Top moments from Brady, Manning, Jordan and other athletes hosting 'Saturday Night Live', Fantasy baseball rankings, projections, strategy and cheat sheets, Rangers' Leclerc to miss WBC with neck injury, Rockies' Rodgers may need surgery, '23 at risk, Rojas to withdraw from WBC, stay with Dodgers, Braves' Strider (oblique) to have start skipped. $25M (2028 Option), If he blew the lid off previous seasons with year-to-year, it would be like, $1M (2023) He will finish next year with exactly TWO FULL YEARS OF SERVICE!! The lot of before money is hopeful at best. The average Plug and Play Tech Center salary ranges from approximately $53,527 per year for an Intern to $304,574 per year for a Director. Logos were compiled by the amazing SportsLogos.net. The risks are present, but the reward is fantastic, not to mention that it gives you the inside track in a few years to talk a further extension. Command was an issue at times in the minors and early in the season, but Strider markedly scaled back on the number of free passes he yielded as the season wore on, finishing out the year with an 8.5% walk rate that was scarcely north of the league average. He'll be paid a $4MM salary in 2025 before jumping to . I also think thats one reason Freeman was so guilt-ridden, or whatever, about not returning when he had the chance. Long-term extensions do not preclude a player from getting those bonus pool dollars pre-arbitration. The remaining $20-25M will be shared with the rest of the guys who arent arb. Theres talk ones coming. 3.04 ERA 8.7 K/9. Darius Vines, RHP 5. They still unquestionably saved on Striders first two free-agent years, provided he remains healthy. Obviously Strider is going to take the guaranteed money because that takes care of his family for generations. Because he is a likely ROY finalist, if the Braves manipulated his service time all of that would remain exactly the same. In Braves speak, that means hes hitting FA. Theyre a tight group and theyre great young men, Snitker said. What would 2 years of Cole cost, instead of 9/324m? They are off on a lot of things, feel free too look me up, the site owner hates me for calling him out. Become a Stathead & surf this site ad-free. Au contraire it is you who needs to check their info. No respect. Musgrove also signed a team friendly extension w/his hometown Padres. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2955053-mlb-predictions-2022-updated-win-loss-projections-for-every-team, https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2022-mlb-predictions-expert-picks-for-division-winners-and-world-series-champion-ahead-of-opening-day/, Thanks RunDMC, that is pretty lousy that Amy writer had the Mets ahead of the defending WS champions. Swanson is better then Baez. The Braves are getting 2 years of FA for $44 million total. 3rd year $25.5 mm, and Salary, Earnings Spencer Strider undoubtedly earns a substantial sum of money from his sole career in baseball. He earned his initial schooling at the Christian Academy of Knoxville in Knoxville, Tennessee. My response was, him being a star just makes it worth risking the $140M in assets! Strider, 24 later this month, will earn $1MM both in 2023 and 2024. Winning is irrelevant. This might be the worst extension overpay I have ever seen. Even if Strider had Bob Gipsons 1968 season or even put up Verlanders 2022, there is no precedent for this contract. The league never would agree to that. So basically they guaranteed his arbitration scale in exchange for an extra year, with an option for another year for more money. So saying a player pays 30% federal tax. ITT: People who dont know what Super Two means. You? While Steve offers a hypothesis of free agent years costing $40M or more annually, the reality is Scherzer may be the best pitcher of his generation, Kershaw and Verlander included and his $40M was clearly an overpay, evem on a short deal. "I'm just excited that there's some security in knowing I'll be here with these guys in this clubhouse," Strider said. Strider went on to blame the umpires for some long Mets at-bats, as well as inflating his pitch count. No one is making obscenely more then the other. Strider will be a Super Two and have 4 arbitration years. ft. is going for $60M+. People who dont have money always assume having money means being reckless with it, but those that have wealth and maintain their wealth, never spend it frivolously. I see it as a risk vs. Sure, they have control of Fried/Wright (even via arb), but Strider is the first long-term arm. Use of any marks, trademarks, or logos on this website shall not constitute a sponsorship or endorsement by the trademark holder. Strider is now expected to join the Braves Opening Day roster in 2022. If thats the case, how do you justify to Max Fried that hes only making $22.5M through his first 5 years in the league? Dont know what thats worth, but its not nothin. Time will tell whether Max Fried and Dansby Swanson also factor into the teams long-term plans. Since Strider stayed on the roster the whole year, his ROY placement (1st or 2nd) would only matter in terms of his team being able to add an extra mid-round draft pick for the Braves between the 1st and 2nd rounds as part of the new compensation for keeping top rated players on the roster from opening day forward.. No matter what, Strider is going to bank a full year of service in 2022, for anyone saying he will go to arbitration four times as a Super 2, the only way that would happen is if he sucked so bad in the next two years that he was optioned for 3 weeks to AAA for him to figure stuff out. Essentially they trade the risk that he gets hurt and produces nothing in one or more years for the free first free agent year, and the discounted second free agent year assuming hes healthy. 36. Why do Braves fans act like he just had the best rookie season ever? The 2022 Atlanta Braves played 162 games during the regular season, won 101 games, lost 61 games, and finished in first position. Believe hes expressed the desire to stay on 2B (probably because of his arm strength being gone.) For reference, Kris Bryant was a lock to be a Super Two because he finished 2017 with 2 years and 171 days of service time. He actually has only three days in 2021, so hell be close to the bottom of his class. probably not. His great year does not guarantee future success as he has not sustained it for nearly long enough. Look at post-season history over the last twenty or thirty years, and youll see the Braves usually getting the day games. To expand on your thoughts, which I agree with completely, there is a reason a hitter and a pitcher have different projected values as prospects, despite having the same ranking overall and the same overall future value. @ice. While I suppose they are blacked out on MLB.tv, but then you can just watch them on Apple TV instead. Which is probably why they didnt. The league-average, for reference, is 29 percent. Fantasy baseball: Which prospects have fantasy value in 2023? As a Mets fan, I love what the Braves are doing and their fans should be excited. Just saying. Strider finished with a 11-5 record, 2.62 ERA and a 1.00 WHIP through 31 games. Again, he is NOT a Super Two, and you cant in any way assume that he will continue to remain this good. Troll on books. What about Georgias racist voting rights? Thats the point but take it personal. Wonder why they stupid overpay for him? Our reasoning for presenting offensive logos. Finally, the greater likelihood is that he probably wont be good enough to outplay what he was given because it was a dramatic overpay by a team that believes pitching will see a steep uptick in annual salary and their stupid contract with Strider is a self-fulfilling prophecy that will probably move the needle 10% across baseball due to this stupid deal. Imagine if they wouldve locked up Soroka. And we're still kind of mulling over what's the right thing for us and him and how to use him.. Yeah Strider might get bonuses but it wouldnt be coming from the Braves, it would be coming from the league as a whole. Not the other way around. All four teams will provide unique challenges for the Braves. But the Braves battled and leapfrogged the Mets in early October to win the division. They do not store directly personal information, but are based on uniquely identifying your browser and internet device. I am a Yankees fan and they could learn a thing or two from My guess is he re-signs w/the Braves. It does, however, mean the Braves get an extra draft pick. I feel good, and hopefully, it keeps trending in that direction.. Trevor Bauers arb years: $6.5M (2018), $13M (2019), $17.5M (2020) Was hoping this thread would continue without trolls insulting one another instead of adding actual substance to their argument. Meanwhile the Mets toss money at aging crap. Story had to move off SS because his arms gone south and cant stay on the field. I wouldnt just throw around $140M in proven assets for $140M in prospects. Top 10 hitter in baseball. Lets say you are going to a MLB game at your local stadium and for-the-sake-of-argument lets say there are only 4 seat choices: bleachers $15, nose-bleeds (2nd & 3rd deck) $40, between 1st and 3rd base behind the dugouts for $100, and a seat in a suite for $150. I mean this in total sincerity, if you love this deal, you should never manage a real team, let alone budget your own finances personally. Harris hasnt played a season and Olson will be an albatross if a deal in 2 years. Thats more than any other team in baseball. Thank_ God: The correct sentence structure you should have put is.. Try used instead of put. Elude.? Sorry for the confusion. Strider and Braves teammate Michael Harris II are very likely to finish first and second in the NL Rookie of the Year voting in either. Strider threw his changeup 109 times in 2022 and, among pitchers who threw at least that many, his 47.5% miss rate when . With the shift going away, how can anyone think Olsons production is going to go down is beyond me. Look what Gerrit Cole was able to get. Austin Riley was signed to a 10-year, $212 million contract, and Michael Harris II was given an eight-year, $72 million deal. Will make luxury tax teams wary of him. He quickly established himself as one of the teams hardest fastball players. The Atlanta Braves announced they agreed to terms with rookie sensation Spencer Strider on a 6-year deal worth $75 million on Monday morning. Spellcheck losers are awesome, sorry you missed the pun. I would give this contract a 5% chance of paying off for the Braves due to injury risk, statistical volatility, x-factor changes in both personal life and professional baseball. Lordy the braves are waaaaay ahead of the curve in finding talent. I could be mistaken on this because I dont follow the Braves as closely as you all do; but it seems to me that part of this is AAs (or Braves) intent on establishing the players relationship through goodwill too for the future. Is MLB ok with them now? Considering Burnes won a Cy Young and has had a microscopic ERA for three straight seasons with a career FIP of 2.85, thats probably the 85 percentile of Strider reaching his potential, IF you buy into one season of work and think hes a generational pitcher. They average the length of the deal. Thats stupid-economics! Sure, but then what if in those 2 years he continues putting up league-high K-rates, gets Cy votes (or wins), AS selections that increases his value exponentially, if he even wants to extend at that point. Obviously, $76MM in 2028 will carry less weight than $76MM in 2022, but its still a hefty commitment to have so far down the line. vs. NYM 1.0 IP, 2 H, 0 SO, 0 BB, 1 ER, Rookie Status: The Apple games are exclusives and are blacked out to anyone subscribing to MLB.tv (or regional cable: Bally, in the Braves case) further diluting the market. Your Shane Spencer strawman garbage makes no sense as a comp for any extension the Braves have executed. Since 2020 was a short season lets take the last 4 seasons. His skills will deteriorate with age. He made his MLB debut in 2021 and now plays for the Mississippi Braves, Gwinnett Stripers, Augusta GreenJackets, and Rome Braves. Being healthy doesnt make you as good. I watched my home team in my home market on it myself without paying a dime or being blacked out. Huh? His service time was at 2 years and 49 days and he did not qualify for Super 2. Strider is going to bonuses left and right which wouldve added to his arb numbers if he went that route. While he had great numbers, it was in 2/3 of a season and I have to believe those strikeouts fall off with general usage and fatigue, while also becoming more hittable as his velo drops and his breaking balls lose shape. Additionally. There are way too many moving pieces to just guarantee blowing past the luxury tax. He would have extended him for 10 years/$200m. Strider will have one pre-arb year then 4 arb seasons. Its one thing to find a new way to add money for the young guys, its another to say Julio Rodriguez should get a bigger 1st arb year because he was better two years ago. People dont seem to understand just how good Striders peripherals are. ~$22M (Arb3) The Red Sox had the opportunity to do so with Betts, Bogaerts, and Devers a few years ago and blew the opportunity. While Strider was certainly pleased with the contract, the satisfaction he felt Monday extended to the fact that it appears he will be available to pitch in some role during the NLDS, which begins on Tuesday against the Phillies. Good luck finding someone who doesnt think hell get back to those heights at 25 years old. It will leave many teams overpaying for pitching and when those arms get injured, most teams will selloff because they wont be able to go to the well and sign another $30M free agent to replace their ace who is gone for 18 months while recovering from surgery. Why would Swanson get Story or Baez money? Product executive enabling intelligent decisions through enriching and enhancing data and delivering it in awesome products. You appear to have ignored multiple opportunities to google the actual definition of Super Two. Buying out those arbitration years is key to these deals imo. Total Zone Rating and initial framework for Wins above Replacement calculations provided by Sean Smith. Great for Strider too, because he locks in generational guaranteed money. 4th year $30+ MM Weve seen PLENTY of great rookie seasons by SP and most of the time they dont last 3 more years of that elite level. Who caes about Story and Baez past anyway? I was down there for that last Mets series and all I heard was silence from the Mets fan base Sunday night. Click For Complete Top Prospect List for 2023 1. Strider was the NL Rookie of the Year runner-up to Braves teammate Michael Harris II. Not two years. . Players dont sign extensions to be traded. The problem is they still have the potential to either end up in the bleachers or the nose-bleed sections, or even if they get great seats behind homeplate, they are still losing nearly 30% on the gamble. I told them but they didnt listen to me. What exactly do those look like? . Spencer Strider has been a revelation for the Atlanta Braves in 2022 and they rewarded his incredible performance with a six-year $75 million contract. Yum, yum, peach juice flowing, baby. Even if you assume he will make 15% less than Soto and other top players that were Super Two, that means he will make $75-78 million for the one remaining pre-arb season and 4 arbitration seasons. $18M (2026) They were 6.5 games ahead of the Braves on August 7. Same. It was that year I knew hed be a douchebag for being a Yankee bandwagoner in SoCal. Spencer Strider Contract 2022 When hes banging 25-30 HRs, hell be at best a mid-.800 OPS, nowhere near the $40M/year people believe he will get! The Braves have extended yet another key member of their impressive young core, this time announcing a six-year, $75MM contract for right-hander Spencer Strider. Because he is going to be in top 2 of ROY voting which gives him an extra year of service time. Braves have got it going on. Strider is a lock to be Top 2 in ROY voting which gives him an extra year of service time. We will gladly take him, throw in 20 million of his salary as well since you feel as though youve overpaid for him? Mike Soroka, if he would have been extended at the same time in his career than Strider just was, would have two years of no value add to the team due to his Achilles injuries. Must be a great place to play if they can get all these young guys to sign for long term. And him being top 2 in the ROY balloting has no bearing on his service time because the Braves never tried to manipulate it. Cohen would give his first born to have Strider. Ya this was a massive overpay for his final 2 arb years even if they get 2028 and an option for 29. In 2023, Strider will earn a base salary of $1,000,000, while carrying a total salary of $1,000,000. They just gave him $53M for his 3 arb years. The only way this deal makes sense is if Burnes and Fried get paid over $75M between their final arb year and their first two years of Free Agency. Later in the season, he missed the season due to a torn UCL, which necessitated Tommy John surgery. Question, Comment, Feedback, or Correction? Lets say we overpaid for Diaz, because ultimately thats what it was. I mean I wouldnt even extend a player if they are going to get 85% or more of their contract by going year to year. Braves need to sign Fried. October 6, 2022: Atlanta Braves activated RHP Spencer Strider from the 15-day injured list. Love to see this for a team and their fan base, Win win for both sides. Yes, the name Braves Butt Head about sums it up correctly! $1MM for each of the 23 and 24 season is a bargain. Not going to roast you on Sewmake, Mercenary, but imo theres no possibility of him being considered as a viable replacement for Swanson. Name guys that did as well as Strider. But if we are anywhere near the same cutoff after next season that we were after 2021, Strider will miss Super 2 status by 110 days roughly or almost 4 months of being on the roster. Name those Braves fans who felt that way. Injuries are 75% covered by insurance Another pitiful troll comment from books. I dont really comprehend the LOL. (101-61, 1st place in NL East). Think hell get significantly longer offers than 3 years Sid. Look at the alternative, pay for TOR stuff like DET did in the offseason with Rodriguez (5 years/77M) and he was AWOL for much of the season in the 1st year of his deal. Perhaps this is me remembering Mike Hamptons contract. Explain to me the worth in that? Strider has two pitches. As a Yankee fan, Im much more resentful of the Yankees keeping their YES Network off of all of the streaming services except Direct TV. The earliest Strider could have been arb eligible was after 2024. He hasnt even extended Fried yet, and this reeks of him knee-jerking his reaction to Fried probably not wanting to talk about extensions and him wishing he wouldve done something a couple years ago. Deferred payments and incentive clauses are not included. We have tools and resources that can help you use sports data. Strider finished this year with a year and 3 days of service time. They already have the best cost control in baseball. Wouldnt be a bad time to offer him a 5-6 year deal at 100-120 mill. The deal includes a $22M club option, with a $5M buyout." - @ MLB Transaction Tracker. Waves of injuries can derail any team at any time, but health-permitting, the Braves are going to be good for a long, long time. He wasnt going any where for at least five years. And because they extended him it wont matter even if they DO send him down. If you dont you price yourself out of future contracts by playing the waiting game. $35M (2028 Option). Its a lot easier to reference someone who is about 70-80% of the way there. AA is saving money collectively and signing his core players. If the Braves can reposition themselves as Americas Team once again, all that peach juice will come flowing back. 22,552nd in major league history) Detroit couldnt trade him for an old jock now. Braves righty Spencer Strider has been put on the 15-day injured list with a strained oblique muscle. I bet the Yankees are wishing Judge took that extension earlier this year. If the Braves want to repeat as back-to-back champions, they will need Strider to pitch up to his capabilities. I know its a business, but much like the Cardinals, the Braves seem to focus more than other clubs on the relational side with their players, thereby giving the Braves an edge over other teams during the respective players FA, if the Braves should choose to being said player back. The reason is pitchers are volatile. Reward thing. Youd think some of these young Braves players would want to bet on themselves by waiting a few years. Its called creative license. Mychal Givens, the only one of the Orioles healthy relievers who [] Creating a winning environment. Baez and Story are declining. Braves are the smartest team in baseball. He didnt go to the Yankees because he was a Yankee fan. us. Furthermore, Strider struck out 202 opposing batters in 131.2 innings pitched. If Striders arb awards are similar, the Braves are then getting his 2 FA years for 26m, total, without having to buy a long deal including Striders decline. Or write about sports? Many historical player head shots courtesy of David Davis. Spencer Strider, ATL. Thats only free agent contracts. Rich teams have figured this out. The Braves seem like they are making all these extensions so their front office can spend the next 4 winters in Bermuda instead of working.
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