The couple was also involved in a support group for parents of murdered children and sat through three murder trials to try and help other surviving parents deal with their incredible grief. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? What kind of headfuck must that be? He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. (Youll never guess who showed up on my doorstep, one of Bagbys friends recalls him saying. And I saw that night her malignancy. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. Cpl. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. Do you understand? I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. Turner - the son of Andrew Bagby whom she gave birth to after Bagby's death. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. His goal at first was simply to collect memories and tributes from people who were close to Bagby. How else do you represent almost virtually the same crime happening back to back despite the hindsight in between? (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. It also took 3rd place in the National Headliner Awards for Best Documentary of 2008, given by the Press Club of Atlantic City. The apparent culprit was a woman named Shirley Turner, whom Bagby had dated but had broken up with on November 4th, in Latrobe, just before putting her on a plane to Council Bluffs, Iowa, where she lived at the time. Previously, Kate was a Founder & Executive Director at Read More Kate Bagby's Phone Number and Email Last Update 11/14/2022 10:26 AM Email k***@mothersagainstmurder.org Engage via Email Contact Number (***) ***-**** Engage via Phone Mobile Number (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. MP Andrews was inspired to create Bill C-464 after seeing Dear Zachary for the first time in March; he and Senator Tommy Banks distributed DVDs of Dear Zachary to every member of the House of Commons for their review immediately following the December 4th discussion. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. One of those forgettable pieces of solipsistic pseudo-art that is essentially just a scrapbook that was released to the public and then everyone just said it was good because no one wanted to hurt anyones feelings. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. It also recently screened at the Calgary International Film Festival and the Edmonton International Film Festival to standing ovations from Canadian audiences, where it inspired many audience members to write their Parliament in support of bail reform. They are selfless. Here's Why 'Dear Zachary' Is The Most Upsetting Documentary Ever Made I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' There was no way to stop Andrews murder, but there was no way to walk away from Zacharys body and just say hmm, okay, move on," said David. Believing that even where there is evil, there is also a tremendous amount of good." Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. get in there, if that's what she demanded. Any reference to Turner as a flight risk, for instance, is accompanied by birdsong and pictures of flying pigeons. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father - Wikipedia However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. Sometimes, if you are paying attentionclose attentionyou can see it coming, even if only barely. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. David Bagby's book, Dance With the Devil, is a good read. -, "A 10 out of 10. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. Watching the documentary brings up a mix of feelings from joy to hatred. The Bagbys were compelled to ensure what happened to their son and grandson never happens again. Hoping to gain custody of the child, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland. -, "You don't just view what's happening on the screen -- you live it through every gasp and every tear, and every bit of exasperated anger(resulting) in one powerful standing ovation, the likes of which I have never seen at Hot Docs beforeDear Zachary will move you. -. I didn't have. kate-and-david-bagby-now-pdf 2/27 Downloaded from thesource2.metro.net on July 22, 2022 by guest the recent London bombings to Law and Order type crimes that make the news only to be replaced by another name.As such, more people are left with the aftermath of dealing with the violent death of a loved one. Based on the title alone, it sounds like one of those saccharine documentaries that only the filmmaker and the subject would ever really care about. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. The upbeat music stops and a little boy who speaks in that lispy slow muckle-mouthed way little boys do, asks, Why did Andrew get killed?. When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' And the comfort they personify can be found in the fact that even in the face of Shirley Jane Turner, they not only continue, they remain good while continuing. Keith Morrison reports. Both screenings were sold out and received sustained standing ovations, an exceptionally rare event in the 14 year history of Slamdance. Very, very serious. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. Dear Zachary is now available on DVD! anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. Kuennes fast-talking exposition, while confusing, seems purposeful, as though the murder were a necessary backstory to be pushed through as quickly as possible in order to get to the heart of the narrative: Andrew Bagbys life and how horrible his death was for those who loved him. This is not the worst instance in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. All rights reserved. Imagine it. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. They've retired, hang out with friends and travel a bit, David Bagby said. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. We made this place together, we own it together, we run it together. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. We'll keep this website updated as to their progress when there is news. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. You dont get over it. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. And this is where director Kurt Kuenne is really smart. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? Asked if he would have done anything different back then, David replies, kill Shirley Turner.. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. You can, just--there's nothing. But their efforts to. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? Even during his stilted summaries of events, you can sometimes hear Kuenne choking up. I couldn't see the point anymore. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. -, "This documentary will rip out your heart and leave you in the snow without a sweater. I am a young director, producer, stage manager, communicator, and creative organizer for theatre and multimedia artistic endeavors. Our SaltWire team is always watching out for the place we call home. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. Dear Zachary was a hit at Slamdance! Published by Statesville Record & Landmark on. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' Except, OK, sometimes not. "We had to do something.. Jackson, Kentucky. Senior Writer and Project Manager. Zachary didn't seem like. Cpl. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. That child was Zachary, to whom the film is addressed. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' On Nov. 5, Kate, who is originally from England, pictures Turner sitting on top of a Guy Fawkes bonfire and her family all around it with fireworks. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. The International Film Music Critics also nominated his musical score for Best Documentary Score of 2008. Digital: iTunes | Amazon | Google Play, Order David Bagby's book What a flaky person. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. David bagby, left, and kate bagby, right, celebrate with their son andrew bagby at his graduation from medical school at memorial university of newfoundland in june 2000. contributed by david and kate bagby. then one day I realized what it was. I dont know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. Mommy misses you. Turner, the daughter of a U.S. serviceman and a woman from St. Anthony, met Andrew while they were attending medical school at Memorial University in St. Johns. But that is what the Bagbys. And in that time, the Canadian justice system does nothing. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. He had been shot five times and the No. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. Well, you dont have to look far, said Dr. T. Clark Simpson, who worked with Bagby. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. With that kind of goodness, there is no limit to the possibility of transcending all manner of evil. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. Curated newsletters for curious minds. Sharing voices. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. Skewed imagery. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. to reconsider getting some help with that. David Bagby - IMDb If. Had the case played out in the U.S. court system, they believe Zachary would still be with them. And not just because its real. David Bagby - Risk Manager - McKinsey & Company | LinkedIn Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. Right? sixteen years have passed but for the bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. Kurt Kuenne's acclaimed orchestral score for "Dear Zachary", nominated for Best Documentary Score of 2008 by the International Film Music Critics Association, is now available on CD and for digital download. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. We urge everyone to write your MP (if Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if not) urging them to support MP Andrews and his bill as it moves toward a vote in the near future. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. did. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. I mean, she. They began a drawn-out court battle to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' ', KATE: He's so loved. Happy Birthday Dr. Andrew Bagby. You should be 49 today. You should be kate bagby and david bagby 2020 - sercano.com At least he might have asleep when she went in. The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as they struggled to come to terms first with the 2001 slaying of their 28-year-old son, Dr. Andrew Bagby, and later with the murder of Andrew's son, 13 . She. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. In the end, she died, but love did not. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. Which is to say, the woman who killed Dr. Andrew Bagby is pregnant with Dr. Andrew Bagbys baby. Kate Bagby - Mothers Against Murder *Verified* | ZoomInfo Then the questioner got choked up.the best thing I've seen in Austin (at SXSW)." We're churning. Dear Zachary recently won the Sigma Delta Chi Award for Best Documentary of 2008 from the Society of Professional Journalists. You are born, you grow up, you make friends, you get a job, a partner, a house, maybe a car, maybe a kid, maybe more. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. He said, `What can happen?'. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a son about his father The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. On Monday, March 22, 2010, the House of Commons in Ottawa unanimously passed Bill C-464 - An Act to Amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). And Kate kissed him and held him and kissed him some more. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. This was the situation with Andrews son Zachary. Cpl. Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. And now it's just. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. That one comes back a lot. I praise Kurt Kuenne for having the heart and determination to perfectly put together one of the most powerful documentaries I have ever watched. They should have been given custody of Zachary to begin with. This is the first example in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. COLLECTOR'S EDITION DIGIPAK only from Oscilloscope Laboratories: MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. She has to veer away from the image and instead see him as a living being. Then, upon. This marks the first time in history an MP from Newfoundland has been able to get a private member's bill through Parliament; since 2001, 2,510 Private Member's Bills have been introduced in the House of Commons, but only 23 - less than 1% - have received Royal Assent. 'Dear Zachary' Is A Greek Tragedy Come To Life | Defector You will cry. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. The psychotic bitch.) The bullets in Bagbys body were of the same type that Turner had used at a shooting range shortly before, in a gun she had recently purchased. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. Through a complicated series of delayed hearings and granted bails, Turner remained free for many months while the decision regarding her extradition was in process.
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