Great article. This is so true, Africans have claimed slavery as their own. Thanks for your research. Black Name Meaning & Black Family History at Ancestry.com Irish heritage at this point is one of many battles won and lost. Moore 21. The 1625 Proclamation gave the order for Irish political prisoners to be shipped off and sold to the plantation owners in the West Indies. 3) their children and grandchildren were not automatically enslaved or indentured from birth and were free, 4) they were not forced to forget their history, culture religion during their agreement to be indentured. The Central Statistics Office regularly records Walsh as one of the most common surnames in Ireland. If they were able to keep their names and their identities, there is no way that Irish people were treated as poorly as African people. Well never know for sure. The native Gaelic ODubhdaleithe Sept of County Cork also sometimes anglicized their name as Dudley, as well as the more usual Dowdall. No one in the homeland was safe. My family history is very interesting..anyway they cant sweep all this under the rug anymore thanks to documents of proof which are online for the world to see now!! Its about connecting the dots. Slavery in any format is wrong. Irish slavery is *not* a myth, nor is it a lie. Black Irish tend to be from the West Coast and North West Ireland which is where the trading went on. I am in my late 40s. Interesting write up Eddie McFields. More White Supremacist bullshit there were no white slaves, the Irish and Scots were originally black people, they descend from black Hebrew Israelites called the Iber (Heber or Eber, vowels are interchangeable and are the same people who travelled to Africa and called themselves the Ibo or Igbo). Also, there is one difference between White Indentured servants or slaves and Black slaves in a country where Blacks are legally considered property. Forgetting the past opens the door to repeating its horrors . Actress Betty White is one of the most famous people with this surname. Africa is a huge continent. However, we do know that numerous Norman invaders did settle in Ireland and integrate into Irish society. But it wasnt until January 1, 1863 that Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation. I cannot speak for what may have happened in America and it is true that we Irish dont suffer from racism in this day and age. African slaves were very expensive, slave trade controlled by Spain/Portugal/Netherlands, all enemies of Cromwell so he created another supply line. Or did the Irish enjoy being slaves and never ran away from their slave masters? O'Connor is a surname of Irish origin. that is not true they are mixed rihannna the singer her father is of irish desent . The existence of the Celts (tribes of people that shared similar traditions, customs, language, and culture and dominated Western Europe and Ireland and Britain) can be dated as far back as 1200 BC. My Mom is Caucasion and Scottish. They were opposed by the native Irish (as they still are today), and as compensation given land and status in the New World. Visit The Information about Irelandsite to read more about Irish history, culture, and heritage. Im not looking to be inflammatory. If you have not already, you need to do some actual genealogical research on your family to see if you are indeed genetically Irish and if so, if that occurred due to your ancestors being enslaved by an Irish family or the Scots-Irish (they both come up on DNA tests as Irish). Second, how does the Civil War, even if it were just about slavery, diminish the atrocities of slavery, war, and maltreatment of the Irish? Africans (Hamites) did not sell their own ppl. "Kiss me, I'm Irish" is a popular phrase often associated with St. Patrick's Day celebrations. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. go and read about cromwell in ireland. Chances are, you can find her drinking coffee in some hidden gem cafe in Dublin, planning her next big trip. Blacks do not collectively own a patent on cruel slavery. African Americans where emancipated because they needed it. The Surname is MAY and the earliest records indicate1704 in the US. However, a whopping 50 to 80 million people around the globe are thought to share in Irish ancestry. However, conflating the Scot-Irish with those who were the predominant focal point of British intolerance: Irish-Catholics (to include any and all Presbyterians and Dissenters among them however small a minority), as the focus of this article however factual is misdirected just as well. If black slavery came subsequent to Irish slavery, why do blacks still go on about their rights? Reblogged this on Simply Etta D. and commented: Kerry Meaning: "black-haired" "dark-haired" "dark-haired clan" Variations: Keri, Kerri, Kari, Carrie, Cerise, Cherise, Cherri, Cherry Subscribe to our mailing list and get interesting stuff and updates to your email inbox. What about the Irish in the south? The same empire, including the Spanish and French, therefore, initiated the slave trade in North America. I want to thank everyone for reading my postit was a topic Ive been pondering for a while..I was tired of being asked the same questions over and over..your last name is Irish but you are black. And, yes, African tribes did it as well! A great book to read is:To Hell or Barbados. Once they were accepted as white around the Depression, they quickly became as racist as any other white person during that time and hurriedly left the neighborhoods they were living in with Blacks. One of the most famous people with the surname Maguire is actor Tobey Maguire. Regarding #3 who was making a dare? And when the draft riots kicked off in New York city a lot of those Irish and Italians turned their hatred and attention on the African Americans!!! Kelly 3. So if Irish slave girls intercoursed with black slave men, how did the Irish names carry through? Yes. They could understand the Irish. This is what I could find so far: No statistical reference to Ireland at least on Ancestry: Why would you even mention those in the same breath? Although my name has awarded me a lot of great opportunities because it looks great on paper; Im a 60 tall African American from GEORGIA .I HAD TO KNOW!!!!!!! There are absolutely no records of this crap, only modern lore that is bandied about as long lost truths. The term is commonly used to describe people of Irish origin who have dark features, black hair, a dark complexion and dark eyes. And it seems that this strategy to retitle oneself to reveal ones stance or clan was a popular thing to do. They dont even notice it (MEAN). There were no Irish people born in America as a slave based on their mother being a slave.. Many families, however, integrated into Gaelic society and changed their Norman name to Gaelic and then Anglo equivalents: the Powers, the Fitzpatricks, Fitzgeralds, Devereux, Redmonds. 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Blacks could not blend in to normal society because most Blacks where slaves and most were not educated and they were not accepted in major segments of the country as entirely human. the Irish along with other white Europeans were considered Indentured ServantsIndentured Servants were those people who owed money..or inherited family debts..and could work off the debts..some of these people were brought over to do just that..after they earned their way out of debt they were free from obligationfurthermore their day to day lives while being indentured were less stringent than that of the African slave.this articles conflates the status of slave and indentured servant as being similar when they were absolutely notindentured servants actually had rights..yes they were treated miserably..but their status was far higher than that of a black man or womanfurthermore the statement that there were no Irish slave owners in the Americas is absolutely inaccurateso to infer that every black person with an Irish last name is the result of the mixing of these indenture servants who lovingly gave their last names to offspring is simply off baseand perpetuates serious misinformation. It was prophesied that our people would go into slavery on ships because we broke Gods commandments. The more I think about this article, the sadder I become knowing that most of you believe its lies. If so then wheres the genetic descendantcy of white besides the colonizing unaltered British or whatever bloodline in the West Indies today? This is a good example of the saying this is a load of _______ (insert rude word or expletive). And I didnt look at the color of the skin of my brothers nor sisters. There are good apples and bad apples in every group of people, and people tend to do things based on more local things than racial ideology. There are many variants of the name such as. Where are the runaway slave notices posted for Irish slaves (as there were for black slaves)? Although, I recognize that the facts of this article are in dispute, with regard to the treatment of the Irish by the British Empire, knowing what I do about history, it is not entirely unlikely that much of this is true. But this example is of the opposite. Dunne From the Irish for brown (donn), the original Irish name Duinn has by now lost the O prefix. Its meaning varies and such differences are contingent upon time and place. They either came to America as slaves, or moved to America in more modern times. If Irish and blacks suffer slavery together, why is it only the blacks that lost their surnames and the Irish somehow retained their surnames and a knowledge of who they were [IRISH]?!? Chattel is another form, but we dont call it chattel servitude, on the other hand slavery and servitude has been used interchangeably with indentured, mostly semantics in regards to an individual vs a people. it didnt matter whether you were Irish, English,Welsh, Scottish, Black, White, or any other race or colour, you just needed to be POOR. 9. The truth is African-American is not your true nationality. Brennan 29. American comedian, political commentator, and television host William Maher is one of the most well-known Mahers. Otherwise, I agree there needs to be some factual citations presented with the article. I think the more realistic story of how many Blacks got Irish last names is that there were rich Irish who owned slaves too. It would be interesting to know why they are attracted to each other. I am not judging anyone here I am just making observations and that is what I have observed. So ran another search on that and got this: http://www.libraryireland.com/names/od/o-dubhdaleithe.php. If you look at census lists or the property lists of white planters, you will see that their human property were only given first names. could not agree more british took irish men in the 70s and 80s in belfast beat and tortured them the british government was later charged with crimes of humanity by the european courts. The Europeans did not enslave Africans, they did not have to, Africans were already enslaved (they were prisoners of war) by more powerful Africans. I think the Scots are the OMallys and OConners and the like.. Kelly is Scotland argyle or Ayrshire area originated there just like Kyle does. #DoesntAddUp. Black people dont think or worry about slavery. Actress Katherine MacNamara is the most famous person with the surname MacNamara. Do you have any references from which I can further research this? Karen, first and foremost thank you for your reply. 1847 was known as "black 47." The mortality rate of enslaved Africans during the slave trade was so high that white planters had to replace entire popoulations of 30,000 plus people every 5-7 years. Also, many black women were impregnated on the slave ships and were pregnant by the time they reached the Americas. This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. Protestant landholders? Im just now learning the depth of how horrible Irish slavery was. Famous Sheehans include bass guitarist Billy Sheehan and American writer Susan Sheehan. Also, what is the point if making a caste system of victims. Also: Especially admitting anyone enslaved them!!!!!! They are the dregs of the white race. Other theories suggest that the term Black Irish results from Irish immigrants. The powers that be, have kept a lot of the truth where history covered up because, its all so ugly as well as in humane!!!!!!!! Am Afro-American. I got it on Amazon..there is a complete history of the Irish Slave trade. His name is Liam Hogan or should I say Lord Hogan lol. The argument is as follows: the Irish had an advantage because of their skin color. In this way of debate it subdivides the issue of slavery in degrees of worse and worse-er. In America and even somewhat in Europe, Black skinned people enjoy a monopoly of the history slavery and its oppressive effects. I am a Jamaican and I do know, based on teaching, that whites were experimented as slaves for a short period; however they failed to be productive in the climate and harsh conditions. Remember England was also enslaved by the Romans. Maybe because the African names were too hard to pronounce. One can work and but back their freedom, and the other one was considered less then an animal. Television host Dermot OLeary is one of the most famous bearers of the name. [8]The Black Male Incarceration Problem is Real and Catastrophic Huffington Post. She was so angry, thats not what Jesus looks like, so I said how do you know,? One of the most famous OConnells is singer-songwriter Billie Eilish who was born Billie Eilish Pirate Baird OConnell. The Irish people are native to the island country. Black Irish Identities: The relationship between Irish and African Im reading these blogs and Im thinking to my self, what does this article have to do with irish slaves? In Ireland, singer Daniel ODonnell is one of the most famous people with this surname. The byword African-American was just adopted by our ppl in the 1980s due to the counsel of our so-called black leaders a Jesse Jackson. From Irish Deoradhin meaning "descendant of Deoradhn", where Deoradhn is a given name meaning "exile, wanderer". I have never heard of these Irish. Famous owners of the name include actresses Debby Ryan and Meg Ryan, and comedian Katherine Ryan. We respect your privacy and take protecting it seriously, How to plan a trip to Ireland (in 9 steps), Irish boy names that nobody can pronounce. Donovan Irish. smh. Famous Doyles include writer and creator of Sherlock Holmes Arthur Conan Doyle, and novelist and screenwriter Roddy Doyle. In 1840 there were 196 Blake families living in Maine. Shame on you. Although Im sure a few were clever enough to rise above and assimilate overseas using their color as an advantage. The term is commonly used to describe people of Irish origin who have dark features, black hair, a dark complexion and dark eyes. If I had to hazard a guess, Id say familiarity. It would be the same with people. Whats your point? But you will find out the truth when JESUS comes back to reign for a thousand years to teach his people the truth, because they have been believing a lie about a rapture theory. Two of the most famous Gallaghers are brothers and bandmates of Oasis fame, Liam and Noel Gallagher. Britains solution was to auction them off as well. Again , please dont source liam hogan lol haha, he is a librarian.not a historian!!!!! Originating from France, the Normans were a primitive, powerful group of fighters who were first welcomed to the Emerald Isle, led by Dermot McMurrough, a king of Leinster (one of the islands four provinces) in Ireland. Moonshine? The slaves that came over from Ireland where already black. The Irish may have been treated like shit way back when, but nobody sold even one of them. This explains why many of my DNA ancestors carry Mitochondrial European DNA and such high percentages. So what is it that makes all so called White skinned folks exactly like one another? THATS why many Irish treated blacks in America and its also why many blacks treated Irish badly. But there are many others who have suffered under slavery, the Irish as you mentioned here, also the Scottish, Jews (black, German, French..). American football quarterback Tom Brady is the most famous person with the name Brady. My grandfather gave me His name..I lived with him in the flesh Where can I learn more about Irish names? This article attempts to make little of the term, indentured servitude, but the term has legal and Biblical definitions that give it limitations. With this, Irish people and families began to associate with the collective surname of ODubhghaill. Very few are disputing that the British were horrific to the Irish, and to some extent, the Scottish as well. From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. This answers a hell of a lot for me. Irish version of McFadden = MacPidn, Irish version of McDonald = MacDhmhnaill. Are we interested in championing numbers or political views here? Well, human enough to retain their own name. There is a new drive by whites all over Europe and the UK, stating that they are the real Jews or lost tribes. How did they enter said contract in the first place? Dont hate, this is the game they play against us- the game of colours, divide by colour but I have yet to see a human coloured black or a human coloured white- there is no such thing. This seems to be the deniers and minimizes position. I will admit, some of this is said by a very very very small percentage of the real irish population worldwide, they see it as being weak !!!! These new mulatto slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. Slavery is still happening today and not prevailing with just Blacks. The real culprit is blind greed, economic opportunism, and plain availability. African-American Lenwood Sloan was in his 20s before he learned why his father insisted he is nice to the lone elderly white man that. Notable Hughes include American business magnate Howard Hughes, and poet and activist Langston Hughes. Dont forget modern recorded history versus older nonrecorded history or minutely recorded history. As poor people in the same boat, yes there were relationships, marriages etc. Most blacks who lived on plantations did not have last names. Each of these immigrant groups had their own physical characteristics and all, with the exception of the Ulster Planters, assimilated to some degree into Irish society, many claiming to be "more Irish than the Irish themselves". One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat. I am black American and have African indentured servants in my lineage. As most of the slave owners were of Anglo-Celtic descent, these are the names that the African-Americans were saddled with.